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Debata o pomirenju u Zagrebu<\/h3>\n

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Pi\u0161e: Jelena Svir\u010di\u0107, Lupiga<\/a>, Zagreb<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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U organizaciji Koalicije za Rekom, odnosno Inicijative mladih za ljudska prava, po\u010detkom tjedna u zagreba\u010dkom kinu Gri\u010d odr\u017ean je okrugli stol pod nazivom \u00a0\u201eDebata o pomirenju u regiji\u201c.Na te\u0161ko pitanje \u0161to bi uop\u0107e trebao predstavljati proces pomirenja u regiji, poku\u0161ali su odgovoriti sudionici okruglog stola, \u017darko Puhovski, Svetlana Slap\u0161ak, Hrvoje Klasi\u0107 i Josip Jur\u010devi\u0107. Uhvatili su se u ko\u0161tac s njim, me\u0111utim nisu daleko odmakli od pitanja koje je na po\u010detku nametnuo \u00a0povjesni\u010dar Jur\u010devi\u0107 (biv\u0161i predsjednik Po\u010dasnog bleibur\u0161kog voda i aktualni \u010dlan opskurnog Eti\u010dkog sudi\u0161ta). Pitanje, za\u010dudo, ovog puta nije bilo tko je po\u010deo rat – nego je glasilo: kad je po\u010deo rat? Obi\u010dno se za po\u010detak rata u Hrvatskoj uzima 1991., ali Jur\u010devi\u0107 tvrdi da se radi o 1990. godini, to\u010dnije 17.8.1990., kad su podignuti prvi balvani u Kninu.\u010cinjenicu da se datum koji zagovara ne uzima kao slu\u017ebeni datum, Jur\u010devi\u0107 vidi kao golemo neznanje nametnuto od strane politi\u010dkih oligarhija. Sve koji se ne sla\u017eu s njim progla\u0161ava \u017ertvama tog neznanja.\u201eOvaj REKOM, kao i prethodni, tako\u0111er je u funkciji krivotvorenja elementarnih \u010dinjenica. Mora se utvrditi tko je \u0161to radio u tom tzv. ratu, jer to nije bio rat nego srbijanska agresija. Faktografski je sve jasno, ali to nije ono \u0161to kru\u017ei po medijima i dru\u0161tvu\u201c, ka\u017ee Jur\u010devi\u0107 te nastavlja: \u201eDo\u0161lo je do i\u0161\u010da\u0161enja znanja, ono u \u010demu odrastaju mla\u0111i nara\u0161taji je potpuna neistina i to vodi do novih sukoba.”Dominantni narativ o tom ratu (kojeg povjesni\u010dar ne priznaje za rat, ve\u0107 ga isklju\u010divo smatra “agresijom”) Jur\u010devi\u0107 vidi kao stanje u kojem su svi i pobjednici i pora\u017eeni, zbog \u010dega nema istine ni pravde, pa ni pomirenja.<\/div>\n
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Cyber space u kojem je Hrvatska avangarda<\/strong><\/div>\n
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\u201eRat koji je po\u010deo sedam mjeseci prije prve \u017ertve je lo\u0161 vic\u201c, odvra\u0107a Puhovski.\u201eFantazija da je rat po\u010deo 1990.\u201c, obja\u0161njava Puhovski, jer se tada jo\u0161 moglo normalno putovati kroz Knin, koji je u to vrijeme jo\u0161 bio unutar hrvatskog pravnog i ekonomskog sustava. \u201e\u010cinjenica je da je rat po\u010deo 1991. napadom Jugoslavije, a ne Srbije na Hrvatsku. Dvije tre\u0107ine generala u tom trenutku uop\u0107e nisu bili Srbi, a da je Srbija napala Hrvatsku, Jugoslavija bi nakon rata bila mogu\u0107e rje\u0161enje.”<\/div>\n
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\u201eRat u kojem nema ubijanja nije rat. To bi onda bio cyber space, a Hrvatska bi bila avangarda\u201c, ni\u017ee dalje Puhovski…, dodaju\u0107i – “nema dvojbe da je izvr\u0161ena i agresija i da je bio gra\u0111anski rat…\u201cNa u\u017eas prisutnih branitelja u publici, koji su kako je debata tekla sve glasnije izra\u017eavali negodovanje nad onim \u0161to su \u010duli, Puhovski je propitao kategorije branitelja: \u201eKad govorimo o ratu, govorimo samo o mitskim kategorijama. U svim dr\u017eavama nakon rata postoje samo veterani, dok su samo kod nas branitelji, iako vi\u0161e nemaju \u0161to za braniti. To je kao da ja ka\u017eem da sam biv\u0161i mladi\u0107 jer sam jednom bio mladi\u0107\u201c, zaklju\u010duje Puhovski.\u201eAli, nedvojbeno je ovo \u0161to vam govorim, jer sam povjesni\u010dar istra\u017eiva\u010d i bio sam sudski vje\u0161tak na su\u0111enjima za ratne zlo\u010dine\u201c, odvra\u0107a Jur\u010devi\u0107.Raspravu je s \u201colimpijskih visina\u201c, zakratko spustila teoreti\u010darka kulture s ljubljanskom adresom, Svetlana Slap\u0161ak, podsje\u0107aju\u0107i da je povijest uvijek povijest fabriciranih \u010dinjenica, iz jednostavnog razloga \u0161to ne postoji jedna istina i \u0161to se svi ne mogu zadovoljiti jednom te istom istinom. Na napomenu Puhovskog da je njegova, \u0161ezdesetosma\u0161ka generacija nakon Drugog svjetskog rata postavila klju\u010dno pitanje – \u0160to si radio u ratu, tata?, Slap\u0161ak odvra\u0107a da ju je uvijek vi\u0161e od toga zanimalo druge pitanje – \u0160to si radila u ratu, mama? – jer ju je uvijek vi\u0161e mu\u010dilo \u0161to se u ratu doga\u0111a s ljudima koji nisu na politi\u010dkim funkcijama ili na tenkovima, odnosno u ratnoj eksploziju maskuliniteta nevidljivoj skupini onih koji se protive, ne sudjeluju ili nemaju aktivan glas.<\/div>\n
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Normalizacija a ne pomirenje<\/strong><\/div>\n
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Povjesni\u010dar s Filozofskog fakulteta, Hrvoje Klasi\u0107, stavio je pod znak upitnika uop\u0107e zna\u010denje rije\u010di pomirenje, smatraju\u0107i da je primjereniji termin normalizacija. \u201eS kim bi se ja to trebao miriti? S prijateljima iz Srbije koji su za vrijeme Milo\u0161evi\u0107a demonstrirali po trgovima i na kraju naj\u010de\u0161\u0107e i oti\u0161li iz zemlje zbog neslaganja s tada\u0161njom politikom?\u201c, zapitao se Klasi\u0107. \u00a0Ono \u0161to on o\u010dekuje su normalni odnosi me\u0111u dr\u017eavama.\u201eTi odnosi zapravo i nisu lo\u0161i, s obzirom na sve \u017ertve, silovane i nestale. Imamo i vi\u0161e nego dobre odnose, to se moglo vidjeti i na primjeru poplava. Kad je postojala tolika solidarnost sa Ma\u0111arskom ili \u010ce\u0161kom kad su se njima doga\u0111ale poplave? Ili primjer izbjeglica – s kim Hrvatska najbolje sura\u0111uje nego sa Srbijom? Svakako bolje nego sa drugim susjedima, Slovenijom ili Ma\u0111arskom\u201c.<\/div>\n
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\u201eMi smo dru\u0161tvo monologa, a ne dijaloga, i naj\u010de\u0161\u0107e ne znamo o \u010demu pri\u010damo. Znamo da nije gra\u0111anski rat, ali ni ne znamo \u0161to je zapravo gra\u0111anski rat\u201c, ka\u017ee dalje Klasi\u0107, uzimaju\u0107i primjer svojih studenata koji uvijek zapnu pri definiciji gra\u0111anskog rata i njegov epitet radije daju dalekim ratovima u Indoneziji ili Sudanu.Takvo \u0161to vidljivo je i po tome \u0161to u javnom prostoru ne postoji tema uloge katoli\u010dkih sve\u0107enika za vrijeme re\u017eima NDH. \u201eSamo se govori o Stepincu, dok pona\u0161anje drugih sve\u0107enika, posebno onih ni\u017eih, nikad nije tema\u201c, podsje\u0107a Klasi\u0107.\u201ePuhovski i Klasi\u0107 su \u017ertve ogromnog neznanja\u201c, javlja se opet Jur\u010devi\u0107. \u00a0\u201eRat je po\u010deo 17.8.1990. i to je neupitno. Ponavlja i \u00a0da je on povjesni\u010dar istra\u017eiva\u010d, za razliku od ostalih govornika kojima bez obzira na razine obrazovanja, odri\u010de svaku mogu\u0107nost baratanja \u010dinjenicama jer \u201ene radi se o razlikama u mi\u0161ljenju nego o ogromnom neznanju\u201c.<\/div>\n
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Koja je moja omiljena smrt da je proglasim po\u010detkom rata?<\/strong><\/div>\n
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\u201eKoautorica sam knjige ‘Rat je po\u010deo na Maksimiru’, me\u0111utim, i dalje ne mogu da se odu\u010dim kad je po\u010deo rat\u201c, ka\u017ee Svetlana Slap\u0161ak i nastavlja: \u201eImam u mislima dan u maju kad je tenk JNA pre\u0161ao preko \u017eiva \u010doveka ispred kasarne u Mariboru i ubio ga. Imam drugi datum u maju kada razbje\u0161njena masa izvukla makedonskog vojnika iz tenka i udavila ga pred o\u010dima nekoliko milijuna ljudi koji su gledali televiziju. Moj tre\u0107i datum je silovanje Albanke u Osijeku, aprila 1991., \u0161to je zapravo prvi zabele\u017eeni slu\u010daj silovanja. Dakle, to su moji slu\u010dajevi rata. Ne mogu da se opredelim koju smrt \u0107u proglasiti po\u010detkom rata; ili \u0107u se mo\u017eda zadr\u017eati na onom vojniku koji se ubio izme\u0111u dva voda u \u0160idu pred odlazak u Vukovar. Nisam sigurna koja \u0107e biti moja omiljena smrt da je proglasim po\u010detkom rata, ali sasvim je izvjesno da je po\u010detak rata – konvencija\u201c.<\/div>\n
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Kad pri\u010da o pomirenju, Slap\u0161ak prelazi u osobnu sferu i tamo smje\u0161ta pomirenje koje vidi li\u010dnim \u010dinom, osobnim ritualom svakog od nas. Poku\u0161aj da se pomirimo s ne\u010dim \u0161to nam se desilo \u0161to mo\u017ee biti u odnosu s cijelim nekim kolektivitetom ili dr\u017eavom.Iznosi vlastiti primjer: \u201eKad sam 1993. bila u Gr\u010dkoj, neki srpski pop je na televiziji rekao (na savr\u0161enom gr\u010dkom jer je tamo doktorirao) da je jedino rje\u0161enje balkanskog sukoba da se svi muslimani pobiju. Eto tako, krajnje jednostavno. Me\u0111utim, moji gr\u010dki prijatelji, za razliku od mene, nisu pali u nesvest ispred televizora kad su to \u010duli, i to je za mene bio po\u010detak rata. U Gr\u010dku, u znak protesta, nisam odlazila 14 godina. Tek kad je kriza po\u010dela i kad je ubijen de\u010dko od 17 godina na ulici, pomirila sam se s njom i vratila se\u201c.Jur\u010devi\u0107 s druge strane nema potrebe za pomirenjem: \u201eNemam potrebe miriti se sa Srbima jer se nije radilo o agresiji etni\u010dkih Srba nego srbijanske dr\u017eave\u201c.Mo\u017eda zapravo nemamo problem s tim kad je po\u010deo rat nego kad je zavr\u0161io, odnosno da li je uop\u0107e zavr\u0161io, zaklju\u010dio je debatu Hrvoje Klasi\u0107.<\/div>\n
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